I really like these no-show socks. They are thick and cushioned so they wouldn’t work well with dress shoes. I wear them with Vans shoes and they are great. I’ve tried lots of no-show socks and they all bunch up quickly on me and become uncomfortable. These are comfy and don’t bunch. As other reviewers have said, it is hard to get your shoe over the heel without pushing the back of the sock so it sticks up out of the back of your shoe. So far, i’ve always been able to wiggle it back down once my shoe is on but I could see how this could be a hassle for some folks. That’s why I gave only 4 stars. These are still great casual no-show socks.