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Mentats of Dune: Book Two of the Schools of Dune Trilogy (Dune, 9)

Mentats of Dune: Book Two of the Schools of Dune Trilogy (Dune, 9)

byBrian Herbert
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A. Rutter
4.0 out of 5 starsYou need to read the entire trilogy as one...
Reviewed in the United States on March 19, 2020
I've been working my way (sometimes back) through the entire, expanded Dune series. I started with the original Frank Herbert books, read several of those co-written by his son after Frank's death, and am now starting at the front of the story, working forward. This this trilogy, Sisters of Dune, Mentats of Dune, and Navigators of Dune, is the 2nd trilogy. They really can't be read or reviewed as 3 separate books. All of them (plus the 1st trilogy) are exceptionally dark and really highlight various broken aspects of human nature.

"Mentats" continues the back-story to Dune. In my opinion, it gets much darker than it needs to. The worst side of humanity seems to be the unifying factor in this trilogy. Again, it does not concentrate on the story of the Mentats, rather it jumps around through multiple agencies and institutions, setting up the ancient history for Dune itself.

I rated this a 4 because there are too many obvious turns and sub-plots. I found myself thinking "I know where this is going", and being right, far too often. The newer books also tend to develop a lot of clumsily concocted names for the actors. This trilogy also has a few inconsistencies that conflict with the original Dune story. That said, the imagery of the writing is beyond compare. The authors come very close to capturing the genius of Frank Herbert and create stories that grab your mind and take it into the future.

I've enjoyed the books and would strongly urge anyone reading the series to start at the story-line (not publish date) beginning and follow it from that perspective.
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Colin Harrison
2.0 out of 5 starsA Terribly Written Book
Reviewed in the United States on June 14, 2015
I'm giving this two stars because some of the (many) plot lines are interesting and creative. But this book, like the other McDune series (thanks to whoever coined that apt moniker), is terribly written. There are two major problems.

(1) There are far to many plot lines, and so the narrative just moves ahead by fits and starts and never coheres, and things get very difficult to follow. Just when things start to move and acquire some energy, the authors jump to another one of the plot lines.

(2) The amount repetition in this book is mind-numbing. Herbert and Anderson apparently are unable to just start in on a narrative without a lot of redundant background information we've already had many times before. Really, if all the repetitive background crap were deleted, the book would be half the size that it is. Just one example. Using my Kindle search, I can report that the reader is informed that Dr. Ptolemy is haunted by the sounds of Dr. Elchan's screams on nine separate occasions. Like we didn't get it the first time or second time. This sort of thing is persistent throughout the book. Apparently, Herbert and Anderson think their readers are attention-deficit morons who can't retain important information from chapter to chapter without being prompted.

Oh, by the way, did I mention that Dr. Ptolemy is haunted by the memory of Dr. Elchan's screams? Just wanted to be sure you remembered...

No, really. Dr. Elchan was screaming and Dr. Ptolemy heard the screams and he is haunted by them.
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M.G. Porta
1.0 out of 5 stars Don't waste your time!
Reviewed in the United States on December 17, 2020
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In their zeal to attract new Dune readers, the authors repeat the facts you've just read two chapters ago, yet again and again and again. Other than add a couple of new twists, this book was a major disappointment and I've now read them all.
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justin
1.0 out of 5 stars 77%
Reviewed in the United States on March 11, 2016
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Love the dune series. That being said I got this book and the audible narration. I listened to the narration. But at 77% it stops grays out and wont allow me to go any further which is BS because i didnt pay 77% of the price. I paid 100%. I should get 100% of the product. I ve tried redownloading and still no luck.
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Omega60Top Contributor: Star Wars
1.0 out of 5 stars The worst book in the series
Reviewed in the United States on October 21, 2014
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Book by book, this continuation of the classic dune series has headed downhill. In this way, with this, the most convoluted and boring of the prequels, it matches the dullness of the game of thrones series. This one is filed with repetitive ideas that don't really advance the story. Half created characters and situations that don't come to any satisfying conclusio. I think I'll stick with the originals and leave these by the wayside.
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Dennis A. Blahut
1.0 out of 5 stars Dragl it out to set up the next book(s)
Reviewed in the United States on March 29, 2015
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Wanders through half a dozen parallel plots. Solves nothing. A few characters killed off but nothing significant changes. Just a setup for future books.
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DainBramage
1.0 out of 5 stars Even the ending was no great shakes. Brian Herbert really phoned this one in
Reviewed in the United States on July 9, 2014
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I've read all the books in the Dune series. With each successive one by Brian Herbert, the quality of writing decreases. This book was entertaining only in the sense that it engaged my curiosity about the series as a whole. The pacing, the plot, the dialog...all were sub-par in comparision to the other books in the series. Even the ending was no great shakes. Brian Herbert really phoned this one in.
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Western PA
1.0 out of 5 stars but this time it was over the top annoying. Seemed like the book would be half as ...
Reviewed in the United States on July 14, 2014
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Have read every one of the Herbert/Anderson series. All their novels re-hash events at the beginning of each chapter, but this time it was over the top annoying. Seemed like the book would be half as many pages without the recaps. Was also hoping this book was the final "bridge" to the first Dune book. Nope, Contrived to get yet another book in there. No meat to the story either, kept waiting for it to get to the good stuff, but didn't happen...disappointing.
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atreides
1.0 out of 5 stars I'll have Brian and Kevin's water for this.
Reviewed in the United States on April 9, 2014
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First, let me say the following. There are plenty of dune lovers out there that call the Kevin and Brian Dune books " crap ", or " McDune books " because Frank Herbert didn't write them. I am not one of those people. I think Kevin and Brian's work has been overall great and they have continued to breathe life into the greatest SciFi series ever. I would put Hosue Corrino, House Atreides, House Harkonnen, and Butlerian Jihad up against any of the Dune books after the original any day of the week.

That said this book was even worse than Sisterhood of Dune (the previous book). Here are a few brief problems I had, I'll try to keep spoilers to a minimum.

- Hyla and Andros. How in the hell do you not include these characters from Sisterhood in this book? They were the 2 most compelling antagonist's in the previous book and you had them eaten by sandworms half way through Sisterhood. I expected them to come back in Mentat's but sadly they never did. This was a colossal waste and frankly, bewildering.

- Cymeks. So we are to understand that the most brilliant businessman in the galaxy (Venport), a man fighting the rise of the Butlerian movement (anti-tech / thinking machines) seeks to turn the public view in his favor by creating and releasing new versions of Cymeks to kill humans? Really? His plan to rally humanity on his side is to resurrect the technology that enslaved them? This was not logical writing.

- The Sisterhood. Two Books, both putting a lot of weight and writing into who the chosen successor of the Sisterhood would be and the writers decide, oh, let's just make it both Vayla and Doretta at the end. That was the best solution you could come up with? Talk about a letdown.

- Emperor Corrino. His whole character was just hollow. House Corrino did such an amazing job on covering palace intrigue and the secrets of state that I just don't think anything regarding the Emperor or his brother Roderick in this book was interesting at all. The authors seemed to just throw in some cruelty to make the Emperor more interesting but he was neutered the entire book and his brother Roderick while capable, just didn't have anything to do in the book.

- The Fremen. They were pretty much nonexistent in this book and the last. It follows 1 small group of Fremen who try to take up work in the Emperium away from their Sietch. Boring, obvious, and completely pointless to the story. They clearly just threw in some Fremen at the last minute. It was blatant, ridiculous, and utterly without point.

Those are a few of the problems I had with it but there were many many more. Do yourself a favor, skip this book and sisterhood of dune and read their better works like the ones I named previously.
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Michael Haspert
1.0 out of 5 stars Downhill from downhill
Reviewed in the United States on March 26, 2014
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The "House" books were not nearly the peers of Frank Herbert's work but that's OK since equaling "Dune" is a very high standard..
I read them with some interest. I have stayed out of the loop since then until seeing "Mentats of Dune" for sale.
I was shocked. Gods, how sad.
This book has all the depth of a Hollywood action flick wherein cars explode to distract from the fact that the plot has gaping holes.

First thing I don't like:
The characters include the following complete stereotypes:
1. The inept ruler supported by the loyal brother (Hey, a twofer)
2. The mad scientist/robber baron Venport ( OK, so I admit that merging two stereotypes into one character is kind of creative, but not in an enjoyable way. Doesn't matter. Several of his lackeys are pure cardboard-cutout mad scientists, so that stereotype is already represented.)
3. The clueless-about-humans droid. (The portrayal of Erasmus had vast possibilities but was handled even less imaginatively than Data.)
4. The evil leader of a religious cult. (Given the intended audience, this is just pandering to the crowd. It shows a real fear of failure to set up such a straw-man as the only obvious villain. )

Second thing: The message stinks:
In exact opposition to "Dune" the message here is that ordinary people are helpless. Consider the following list:
1. Founder of the Mentat School: Only capable of achieving his great deed because of long life given to him by an all powerful machine and the explicit aid of a thinking machine.
2. First Reverend Mother: Got her powers by accident when surviving an attempt at poisoning and lives long enough to accomplish her great deed only because of the powers accidentally acquired.
3. Vorian Atreides: Comes back into the story because of the long life given to him by an all powerful machine.(Why is he here anyway?)
4. Venport, the universe's greatest industrialist/robber baron only survives because of help from his long-lived ancestor Norma Cenva, who obtained her powers through use of a drug and her magic bloodline.

So, of all the major characters, only the emperor is "normal"?
Jeez, really? You want to see "youth-anized" geezers triumph? Try Old Man's War.
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Mike Huston
1.0 out of 5 stars Disappointed for the legacy of Dune
Reviewed in the United States on February 10, 2015
I really wanted to like this book. I've read and reread Frank Herbert's original Dune series with great joy and always find something new. The "House of" books by his son and collaborator were welcome additions to the series. But then the decline leading to this book. So much potential, so much failure. Maybe Frank had cymeks in mind with his distant past Butlerian revolt. Somehow, I don't think so. With open-ended finales that obviously lead to the next in a series is revolting. The characters have no dimension and rely on the relationship in the distant future to drag you along to the end. Yes, I finished it, and closed the book disappointed.
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Algesan
1.0 out of 5 stars There's A Sucker Born Every Minute
Reviewed in the United States on April 4, 2014
Which is what Brian Herbert needs in his continuing saga of not being fit to be a mat for his father to scrape his boots off on...at least as an author. I have no clue what Brian Herbert is like, except as an author and that is obscured by his partnership with Kevin J. Anderson.

The "House" books were a bit lame, they did give a few tidbits. Also, you have to give the kid a break because of the quality of his dad. Also, they didn't reject or contradict any of the then current canon of the Dune Universe, merely gave details of things not detailed before. In other words, cute.

Then they decided to reject the entire body of what Frank Herbert had pretty much declared canon to *his* Dune Universe with only the amount of equivocation to allow for him to spring surprises later if he further explored areas covered by entries in The Dune Encyclopedia. http://www.amazon.com/The-Dune-Encyclopedia-Masterpiece-Imagination/dp/0425068137/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1396630286&sr=8-1&keywords=the+dune+encyclopedia

In fact, Willis E McNeely was probably going to write the real book about the Butlerian Jihad under direction of Frank Herbert. Alas, Mr. Frank Herbert left us.

So, Brian, looking at his father's work and canon, obviously realizes he cannot deal with this much complexity with all its plots within plots within plots and feints within feints within feints and tales within tales within tales, most especially, conspiracies within conspiracies within conspiracies. So, take out the machete and start clearing it out. Destroy the threads reaching back into the dawn of civilization on Earth. Trash the rich back-story and tales that would have taken lifetimes to write. Instead, debase all of that work and turn it into a way to get suckers to pay for more Dune (TM) stuff.

Supposedly, Mr BH and Mr KJA are working off of Frank Herbert's notes, but they also admit "their own imagination". Given the variation between "The Dune Encyclopedia" version vs. the BH/KJA hack job of the Butlerian Jihad *AND* the fact that Mr. McNeely had already had preliminary meetings with Frank Herbert who had given his initial approval to the first chapter, notes & outline.....well, all I'll say is that the BH/KJA works are very little Frank Herbert and very much their greatly lesser imaginations.
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