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God Emperor of Dune

God Emperor of Dune

byFrank Herbert
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Bryan Desmond
5.0 out of 5 starsThe Leto Experience. The Worm Who Is God.
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on May 3, 2020
God Emperor of Dune. The Leto Experience. The infamous. The impenetrable. It boggles the mind, this book. It is something that my 15 year old self was not ready for. I get something new out of these books each time I read them, and I was especially looking forward to reaching this one, as I have only read the back three books once each. Suffice it to say, reading this book was an entirely different experience this time around.

God Emperor is without a doubt the most divisive book in the series. You sometimes see it hailed as a fan's favorite book in the series, other times as utter drivel that should be the stopping point for all readers. It's interesting, really. I'm not quite ready to claim it as the high point of the series, but I will say that I loved it. And while there were plenty of pieces of this puzzle that still went over my head, so much more of it landed. I am a firm believer that when you read a book is as important as reading it in the first place. And I may not have the memories of my ancestors to call on or a prescient vision to guide me, but I found my right time.

I have been jokingly referring to this book (using Leto's own words) as 'The Leto Experience', rather than its actual title. The entire book is a trip. Truly, it felt like Frank Herbert found a storehouse of the spice melange before writing it and partook heavily during the process. The frame-story is noted by the discovery of the journals of the God Emperor Leto Atreides II, some 1,500 years after his death. The story we read then, is taken from the contents of these journals. This story is 3,500 years after the reign of Paul Muad'dib, and so right away a reader's expectations are blown apart. This is by far the biggest time gap in the series to date, but (once again) it is necessary for the story Frank wants to tell. I (do and) don't want to dive deeper into what the story is about because I think there is something to be said for the discovery by the reader of just how much has changed since the time of Paul. An enforced tranquility hangs over the universe, a suppression of freedom. Leto holds to his Golden Path for the good of mankind, but there are some who name him tyrant.

It must be said though, God Emperor is unlike anything that came before it. It is still unequivocally Dune but... more so. It is dense with knowledge and absolutely stuffed with information. 90% of the book is just dialogue. This did not bother me because among Herbert's many writing strengths I think that conversation is one of his greatest. If conversation bores you though that would be a deal-breaker for this book. I must admit though, it is hard for me to imagine being uninterested in the conversations within. Dialogue between Leto and the Duncans, Leto and Moneo, Leto and Hwi Noree, Leto and Siona, Leto and his ancestral memories, even Leto and his own imagination. I think one has to give it up to Frank Herbert for what he has created in the character Leto Atreides II. I mean, it's hard to imagine a being living for 3,500 years. What a being like that would be like. And yet... Leto feels so believable. One must remember that this isn't just a matter of age, either, but of ancient memory, and intimate knowledge of the future. What would it do to someone to have perfect knowledge of their ancestral memories, going back into time immemorial? What would it be like to be so closely associated with the future of one's universe? You'd grow bored. Emotion would fall away, replaced by an implacable intellectual resolve. You would crave novelty, treasuring every surprise. Herbert represents this state of being remarkably well in Leto. Now, if Dune and Dune Messiah were Herbert showing readers the dangers of a charismatic leader, then God Emperor is him showing us a universal tyrant in the long term. He does this in such a compelling way because he gives us an omniscient look at the why behind Leto. Because rest assured, from almost any other point of view the oppression he serves up to the universe is tyrannical indeed. But, as silly as it sounds, this is tyranny with a purpose. The terrible purpose that Paul brushed up against but could not fulfill. That awful purpose that requires Leto to give up his very humanity to achieve it, for the good of his kind. He is both hated and worshiped for it, and it is completely fascinating.

I can't really do justice to the complex and infinite nature of God Emperor of Dune with a simple Goodreads review, but I would urge potential readers to not be deterred from reading it because of external opinions. I think it is something to be read and judged for oneself. I think this book, more than any other in the series, has Frank himself shine through the pages the clearest. I understand that it bothers people (and frankly the book isn't without its faults, and Frank has a few unfortunate, outdated opinions) but it is an ambitious feat, if nothing else.

"You have faith in life. I know that the courage of love can reside only in this faith."
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Providential
2.0 out of 5 starsAbandon home, ye who enter here
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on March 23, 2020
I'm a huge fan of Dune, and I'm a philosophy major. You'd think I'd love "God Emperor". But it's just not a very good book in my opinion. I get that this is a divisive topic, so fans of the book can go away and be happy, but I think this book is meant for a niche audience.

The plot: Fans will tell you this book covers an unimaginable amount of time, that it delves into such deep issues over millennia... but the actual plot focuses on maybe a week or so of time, focused into a handful of days. References are made to things that happened thousands of years ago, but that's not unusual for a Dune book. The original Dune is set at least 10,000 years into the future. So really, to my mind, the "new" part of this book only encompasses a few days in the life of God Emperor Leto II, son of Paul Muad'dib, following his ascension to the throne at the end of Children of Dune. You can't really say much more about the plot without spoiling it, because there's so little of it. It is quite weird and philosophical, so if you didn't like "Messiah" or "Children" because of all the musing, you won't like this.

Wait what happens: Not much. Leto II has joined his body with sandtrout so he's become a sort of proto-sandworm. This allows him to live forever, be near invulnerable, and to have near perfect prescience... as Larry Niven said, the future can be really boring because people are too safe to create much mortal peril. So the story has to try again and again to invent some tension. If that sounds too weird for you, again, it's okay to stop reading the Dune series. Children of Dune wraps up the life of Paul-Muad'dib. God Emperor was really meant as a bridge to a new series but Herbert died before he could finish the new series, so it's fine if you want to stop at Children, or even back at Dune.

The themes: Did you ever read John Locke and Thomas Hobbes in school, particularly Hobbes' Leviathan? I feel like the people who say they love this book didn't take a decent course on Locke and Hobbes before reading this. Leto II has become a very literal embodiment of the Leviathan - even changing his body to look more like the nautical beast of the metaphor. Characters spend page after page circling around this issue over and over. In short - Humanity will destroy itself unless someone can embody such a terrible threat to humankind they they will forever after be united in their hatred of that great evil. That's it. The rest is discussion which you can get from any debate about Leviathan - like who has the right to inflict the violence necessary to taking that leadership role? How can we prevent the Leviathan from becoming a mere despot rather than benevolent leadership? I had that discussion on Hobbes in my Philosophy 101 course, so I don't see anything new here.

Should you read God Emperor: If you've never had a decent class on Locke and Hobbes, or the foundations of Western government, perhaps God Emperor is an interesting way to introduce those themes to a new audience. For me though, virtually all of the dialogs which make this book famous are characters being willfully obtuse about concepts that should be incredibly obvious to anyone who's had a good political science course. It's like that scene in Good Will Hunting where the pretentious man is trying to appear intelligent, but Will Hunting reveals the man is just following a series of lectures which are widely known in that field of study and anyone who's completed the course would have the same (trite, obvious) conclusions. The later Dune novels also scrap Leto's whole enterprise - this isn't really a spoiler, but humans will go to war again in the future, so Leto's Golden Path doesn't actually even work in any comprehensive manner. For me, this book is mostly pointless.

Should you continue reading past God Emperor: I can't understand how much more than a niche audience would want to read past this in the Dune universe. All the characters you knew and loved are dead, and (if we were to believe Leto's Golden Path) the future of Humanity is secured. What is there to be excited about? As you might expect, Herbert will just resurrect characters from the past (as ghola) and throw new threats at humanity anyway. Following this to its conclusion is also going to mandate reading Herbet's son's attempts to finish his dad's books... and that's a topic for another day. Personally? I say it's fine to stop at Dune. Stop at Children if you want to know more of Muad'dib. Stop at God Emperor if you have any sanity left. If you keep going - abandon hope, ye who enter here.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Tear with cover
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on December 24, 2022
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1.0 out of 5 stars To long words words wods to paraphrase the book itself.
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on December 30, 2021
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To long finidhed it more to have it done than anything else. Words words words to paraphrase several partss in the book itself. I do not get it. Children of Dune is probably the only one with a pace and content making it worth reading.
Do I really have to read all six books before reaching enlightenment about the golden path.
The praise of the author as a genious from his son is just painful.
Read something like the "Three body problem" instead if you want really good sci-fi.
Or try the approximately 400 year old Don Quixote - once you get through the first 50 pages it grabs you and never lets go.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Hoo boy, this is so bad it's sad.
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on September 25, 2021
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There is an old internet joke: A book cover of DUNE, photoshopped to read, "Just Stop Here, You'll Be Better Off."
Well...I broke down and read all six of the books written by Herbert...and the joke is true.
Seriously, don't bother.
By the time we get to this book, Herbert has truly gone off the deep end, and not in an amusing way.
NOTE: The first novel, DUNE, *very much deserves* its standing as a true classic of science fiction. Everyone should read DUNE.
But I seriously regret spending the money and time on the following five novels.
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Michael Eilers
1.0 out of 5 stars Eugenics, sexism, authoritarian nightmares
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on July 17, 2020
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This sexist, rambling, repetitive, messy drug dream of a book is about as polarizing as you have heard. The very premise - that humanity can only be taught to become survivors by being oppressed absolutely by a giant worm god for 3,000 years - is the LEAST preposterous element. Lots of sexual fetishes, strong homophobia, the usual (for Herbert) absolute abeyance to Genetics being the key to everything - which of course is just eugenics, when you think about it. As a fan of the original Dune I deeply regret reading this book from a man who should have hung up just typewriter after that book and broken his typing fingers with a hammer. Fame did NOT help this author or his subject matter.
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Memphisalone
1.0 out of 5 stars It’s pretentious, patronizing and absolutely uninspired
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on November 14, 2021
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Honestly, Herbert does a disservice to his legacy in this book. It shows his lack of understanding the world and human psyche and his immaturity as a philosopher, all in the name of sounding self-righteous. Do yourself a favor and stop at Children on Dune.
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Austin
1.0 out of 5 stars Cover is always wrinkly
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on November 25, 2019
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This has nothing to do with Amazon or the quality of the story itself. But the actual quality of the book and the binding. I can’t seem to find one of actual quality anywhere, the cover is all wrinkled and torn apart, and it’s very frustrating for someone like me who wants a smooth cover to look nice on the shelf. So just a heads up for anyone wanting to buy this copy of the book. If you’re someone like me who tries to keep their books in good shape, stay away from this copy.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Beware the size
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on March 1, 2022
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Tiny paperback size
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Gregory Hobbs
1.0 out of 5 stars As boring as Dune Messiah, only 300 pages or so more.
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on January 24, 2017
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I'm not going to lie, this book goes on and on. Haven't had this much struggle getting through a novel since book 4 of Game of Thrones(almost). I went ahead and finished it because I assume there is some sort of critical value to the Canon of the universe. You people criticizing the prequals as garbage are smoking crack if you are comparing them to this supposed "masterpiece".
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Dan
1.0 out of 5 stars Pointless
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on February 13, 2013
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I truly loved the first 3 books, but this one is highly disappointing. The book lacks any story line, it is basically a bunch of common sense facts and truths delivered as though it is some kind of higher knowledge. If you are into philosophy and that kind of thing you'll probably be able to finish it, as for me I couldn't but put it off.
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peter r.
1.0 out of 5 stars I had to power through this one, stick to the first 3
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on March 23, 2020
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Really got off track from there original story and the characters personalities felt odd
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